Nico also played with Hall his whole rookie season which happened to be Hall’s MVP season and the year they made the playoffs. The team has been terrible ever since then for a number of factors.
Jack played with Wayne Simmonds and or miles wood stuck to his wing for pretty much all year. I cannot count the number of times he set teammates up and they missed. Get Jack someone who can shoot the puck and he will be fine.
He needs to get stronger. Maybe he needs a shooting coach (there are such people). But he definitely needs to play on a better line. If he is supposed to be our best player per Proman etc. let him center Palmieri and Gusev or the equivalent. Then we can see what in fact we have. Pretty much all the analysts are still extremely high on him.
I do think that his teammates not scoring is a factor. But 1) he is also not scoring when he is set up so it's not just his teammates fault. And 2) his xG and shot impact numbers are far from impressive themselves -- and those aren't impacted by poor-shooting linemates.
You can make that argument about every single player on the roster. Yeah he could have had a better rookie year but he was set up to fail. He Plays all preseason with Bratt and gusev, only to have been split up halfway through game 1. Then he is stuck with the rest of the plugs on the team and expected to carry those lines. He was an 18 year old playing on a terrible team. Scouts said way before the season he was going to struggle with the transition to the nhl and he did. People need to relax, He’s trained all offseason and has put on some muscle he’ll be fine.
And Kyle had 26 points at 5on5 to Jack’s 10. I’d hardly say he made a offensive impact. 45 points in 65 games and leading the team in points is not good. Like I said you can make the argument for everyone on the entire roster.
I'd still bet on the dominant player that led to him being the 1st OA pick being closer to what we get in Hughes. I'm willing to throw away last season and see what we get in Hughes this year. However if we don't get a 'breakout' type year from Hughes, then I think it's time to readjust expectations and understand you're getting Clayton Keller+ instead of McDavid lite.
But as far as insurance goes, that's never a bad idea. And I'll reiterate my argument from Todd's post the other day. Sergachev isn't the only player on TB worth discussing in a trade. The Devils should be considering Cirelli as well. TB is pretty screwed. Instead of taking assets for a player that's about to turn 30 and won't be a realistic part of the team's future (Gourde, Johnson, Palat, Killorn), make a bigger splash and pick up a guy has some upside left and who, best case scenario ends up being your 3rd line center or gets moved to the wing because Hughes and Hischier are perennial all-stars. But there's your insurance policy right there.
As far as cost goes, well again, TB is kind of screwed. NYI gave up one of their best defensemen for 2 2nds so that's an idea what the market is like. Now, Toews is 26 already and likely a finished product, and I think the Islanders cap situation is worse than TBs, but I still think you're paying less than market value for Cirelli.
Nico also played with Hall his whole rookie season which happened to be Hall’s MVP season and the year they made the playoffs. The team has been terrible ever since then for a number of factors.
Jack played with Wayne Simmonds and or miles wood stuck to his wing for pretty much all year. I cannot count the number of times he set teammates up and they missed. Get Jack someone who can shoot the puck and he will be fine.
He needs to get stronger. Maybe he needs a shooting coach (there are such people). But he definitely needs to play on a better line. If he is supposed to be our best player per Proman etc. let him center Palmieri and Gusev or the equivalent. Then we can see what in fact we have. Pretty much all the analysts are still extremely high on him.
I do think that his teammates not scoring is a factor. But 1) he is also not scoring when he is set up so it's not just his teammates fault. And 2) his xG and shot impact numbers are far from impressive themselves -- and those aren't impacted by poor-shooting linemates.
You can make that argument about every single player on the roster. Yeah he could have had a better rookie year but he was set up to fail. He Plays all preseason with Bratt and gusev, only to have been split up halfway through game 1. Then he is stuck with the rest of the plugs on the team and expected to carry those lines. He was an 18 year old playing on a terrible team. Scouts said way before the season he was going to struggle with the transition to the nhl and he did. People need to relax, He’s trained all offseason and has put on some muscle he’ll be fine.
You cannot make the argument about everyone on the roster. Some had better offensive impacts and almost all were better shooters.
Also, his most common linemate was Kyle Palmieri. So I'm not buying the "if only he had better linemates" case.
And Kyle had 26 points at 5on5 to Jack’s 10. I’d hardly say he made a offensive impact. 45 points in 65 games and leading the team in points is not good. Like I said you can make the argument for everyone on the entire roster.
I'd still bet on the dominant player that led to him being the 1st OA pick being closer to what we get in Hughes. I'm willing to throw away last season and see what we get in Hughes this year. However if we don't get a 'breakout' type year from Hughes, then I think it's time to readjust expectations and understand you're getting Clayton Keller+ instead of McDavid lite.
But as far as insurance goes, that's never a bad idea. And I'll reiterate my argument from Todd's post the other day. Sergachev isn't the only player on TB worth discussing in a trade. The Devils should be considering Cirelli as well. TB is pretty screwed. Instead of taking assets for a player that's about to turn 30 and won't be a realistic part of the team's future (Gourde, Johnson, Palat, Killorn), make a bigger splash and pick up a guy has some upside left and who, best case scenario ends up being your 3rd line center or gets moved to the wing because Hughes and Hischier are perennial all-stars. But there's your insurance policy right there.
As far as cost goes, well again, TB is kind of screwed. NYI gave up one of their best defensemen for 2 2nds so that's an idea what the market is like. Now, Toews is 26 already and likely a finished product, and I think the Islanders cap situation is worse than TBs, but I still think you're paying less than market value for Cirelli.
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